Dj Frantik's ([info]goth_dancer) wrote,
@ 2008-03-19 14:22:00
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It's time to wake up and realize what we have done and learn the truth.





Years ago, President George W Bush managed to have us go to war with Iraq. At the time he blindsided everyone who was still paining from the trauma that was 9/11 into believing that this war was just, so we pretty much went with it.

5 Years later what have we learned?

5 Years Later we basically learned that we were lied to. Bamboozled. Taken advantage of by our own government. All in the sake of of the war on Terrorism.

5 Years Later we have yet to find the real guy responsible for 9/11 in the first place.

5 Years later our economy is at an all time crappy.

5 Years later Bush feels this war was a necessary war and still needs to be, yet a CNN poll shows that 7 out of 10 American citizens feels that the War in Iraq is a main reason why our economy is failing, and only 36% of Americans polled feels this war should still go on.

5 Years Later we have learned our current administration does not care about any of us, but wants us to think they do.

5 Years Later America is finally waking up and realizing that in 2000 and 2004 we all made one seriously big mistake.

5 Years Later no one is trying to pursue the fact that our president himself is a war criminal for keeping this war going

5 years later we have an official sequel to Vietnam

5 Years later I am embarrassed to say I am an American, and that is a sad fact.


I hope and pray that the next 5 years will be better....but with what is currently going on in this nation (gas prices plus housing foreclosure rates at an all time high, credit sucks, sales and spending are down, the stock market is unstable, the current government is turning a blind eye to it all, and yet McCain is gaining in this election (a man who wants to continue the War in Iraq) while The Democratic Party falls apart because they can't get their shit together) I honestly do not have any hope for the near future.

5 Years Later, I cry for this nation and for what it used to represent to the world


taken from a friend on mine on LJ


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[info]john_of_arabia
2008-03-20 12:54 am UTC (link)
Nice.

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[info]goth_dancer
2008-03-20 05:53 pm UTC (link)
thanks!!!

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[info]john_of_arabia
2008-03-20 07:11 pm UTC (link)
DId you design it yourself? Explain your intent with each of the symbolisms.

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[info]goth_dancer
2008-03-21 12:16 am UTC (link)
acully no I didn't actully make this. I saw this somewhere forgot actully where though

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[info]demetrious
2008-03-21 06:26 am UTC (link)
Congratulations. You have successfully written a barely coherent regurgitation of every empty, trendy catch-phrase spouted by the left-wing pundits. You are officially a tool.

"At the time he blindsided everyone who was still paining from the trauma that was 9/11 into believing that this war was just, so we pretty much went with it."

And, oh, the people who went with it!

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction." — Sen. Ted Kennedy, on Sept. 27, 2002.

"It is clear . . . that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons." — Sen. Hil-lary Clinton, Oct. 10, 2002.

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country." — Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002.

Either Democrats are huge, inexcusable idiots, or Bush is not the total moron that liberals keep on saying he is. If these esteemed Democrats were fooled by an illiterate moron, how stupid does that make them?

5 years later, intelligent, educated people are still listening to people like you regurgitate the same sound-byte tripe without either understanding what it means, or without the knowledge and understanding to defend the audacious claims it makes.

For example: The only "lie" that Bush has ever been substantively charged with was sixteen words in his State of the Union speech, concerning Saddam seeking Uranium from Niger. The "proof" that this was a lie came from one, lone diplomat, who was dispatched to Niger, and "proved" that Saddam wasn't seeking Uranium by asking the President of Niger and taking his word at face value. Meanwhile, the British Intelligence Service, MI6- you know, actual spies who know what they're doing, not some diplomat- still stand by their intel report that Saddam was seeking Uranium from Niger.

And yet, that single, flimsy, accusation has now become a roaring cacophony of "LIES! LIES! BUSH LIED! BUSH LIED!" that has completely drowned out the truth- and the people who make that possible, the slack-jawed fools who mindlessly shout the same catchphrase at the top of their lungs without a moments thought, are people like you.

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[info]goth_dancer
2008-03-22 03:57 am UTC (link)
well that's sure summing it up alright!

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[info]ekzept
2008-03-23 04:33 am UTC (link)
... seeking Uranium from Niger

and we see how incredibly successful the Iranians, who have such Uranium, have been at producing a nuclear weapon, despite the hordes of centrifuges they supposedly have at work.

if, indeed, Democrats uttered the same nonsense, this does not make Bush correct. in fact, it simply proves that Americans were completely and utterly foolish to trust the government, no matter what party or stripe it advertised. none of them knew what they were doing, or could be trusted to obtain objectivity.

that is the lesson of the drumbeat into Iraq.

and, surely, as goth_dancer suggested, both parties have been responsible for trashing the American economy as they have.

is that a reason to vote for either? is that a reason to vote at all?



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[info]demetrious
2008-03-25 06:20 pm UTC (link)
and we see how incredibly successful the Iranians... have been

This, right here, blows my mind. A psychotic regime with a pathological hatred for our nation, connections to terrorists, and independent delivery systems (ballistic missiles) are building a thermonuclear weapon, and your response is so what?

Let me reiterate. They are building a thermonuclear weapon. City killers. Millions dead in one blow. By the time they complete a weapon, it is far, far too late to do anything about it- because now they have a weapon to which there is no defense, and it will be in the hands of a regime that is a little too unstable to respect the logic of Mutual Assured Destruction. Not to mention, they could pass it off to a terrorist organization, which has no return address, and is even harder to defend against then a missile.

I will never understand people who think that rouge states developing a nuclear weapon isn't a big deal. That's like watching placidly while your avowed enemy, who has stated many times that he hates you and wants you dead and will eat all jews and death to you, etc, loads his gun. This is, essentially, the prime reason we went into Iraq- not over the WMD we thought they had- anthrax and sarin gas is nasty shit, but not incredibly remarkable in the world arsenal- but because of the potential WMD threat of Iraq- their past efforts at nuclear development, and most frighteningly, their easy access to billions of dollars of oil revenue. Oil was an issue, but in a secondary sense- it meant that the stark raving mad regime had money to burn. The real fear is that one of these nations will stop bumbling around trying to make a simple bomb, and just buy one of the thousands of nuclear weapons that walked away when the Soviet Union collapsed. In addition to the thousands of Russian warheads that are unaccounted for, current stockpiles in Russia are poorly guarded, if at all. There's an entire Cold War size armory that is either missing or pitifully protected. The larger proliferation issue is rather frightening, too.

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[info]demetrious
2008-03-25 06:20 pm UTC (link)
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in fact, it simply proves that Americans were completely and utterly foolish to trust the government,

Remember, I'm one of those batshit crazy conservatives. We invented the Black Helicopter theories, and we insist on our right to own rocket launchers so the government can't kidnap us in the night. But, in this case, the people were not foolish to trust the government. They said, "Saddam is a bad, bad man with bombs, and we don't like him having bombs." And, considering his 30 year history of defying UN regulations and weapons inspectors, the poison gassing of ten thousand Kurds, and other fun things, nobody really doubted it. They've found WMD in Iraq, like old artillery shells with Sarin Gas, or the two abandoned mobile chemical/biological laboratories, but nobody cares, because it isn't the "good stuff." Nukes. And god knows how much we didn't find- the desert is a great place to hide stuff, forever. Example: US troops walked right over a dozen fighter jets buried in the sand for a few months before discovering them. Now imagine how hard it would be to locate the components of a WMD development program, which Saddam was taking pains to hide from UN inspectors for years.

Or, he sent them to Iran- which, despite their historic animosity, is quite possible. Half the Iraqi air force aircraft fled to Iran during the first gulf war- which Iran subsequently declined to return. Point is, the absence of a smoking gun does not mean that the initial estimates were foolish, or even erroneous.


and, surely, as goth_dancer suggested, both parties have been responsible for trashing the American economy as they have.

That link seems to be written by a batshit insane writer, which is not hard to deduce from the way he launches into a rant about "fascism" a few paragraphs in. That's always a good clue. Not to mention all the economists who are currently laughing off claims that the End Is Nigh- and if it is, that's curtains for the entire worlds economy. China makes all their money selling crap to America. Also, creditors are never hesitant to make huge loans that will never be repaid, since it ensures a constant flow of interest payments that are equally open-ended. And his accusation that our military spending is ruining the US economy is rather foolish, considering that the 625 billion he cites, (5%) is a drop in the bloody bucket compared to all the social programs we spend money on- 2.8 trillion dollars, or 56% of the budget. He also neglects the fact that America collapsed the Soviet Union simply by being able to afford twice the military spending they could, and luring them into over-spending on it. (This was Regan's strategy.) Seems kind of odd logic, to me.

is that a reason to vote for either? is that a reason to vote at all?

News Flash. You've heard of pork barreling, right? Senators doing all they can to haul back goodies for their constituents? The lesson of that is that Senators still spend most of their time trying to appease their voters. It might not be very ethical, but it does show that democracy is still working- our government answers to us, not the other way around. There is no conspiracy of elites controlling the world- in fact, they only gain that power when you sit and do nothing. Never waste your vote.

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[info]demetrious
2008-03-25 06:25 pm UTC (link)
Correction: Federal welfare spending was 1.6 trillion dollars. My mistake.

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